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Tuesday 27 August 2013

When he's married to mom: mother-enmeshed men

Valentine's Day

In the meantime I decided to do some research again and came across a book I had read about before: 'When he's married to mom' by Kenneth M. Adams. Since the reviews were interesting I ordered the book. It was an interesting read, probably good to read it together with 'Toxic parents' by Susan Forward. The great thing about the book by Adams is that it specifically deals with the dynamics between a mother and son and addresses the problems that arise when the mother uses her son as an extension of herself and/or a surrogate husband, and when she views her son's girlfriend/wife as competition. When you feel your husband is married to his mother instead of you or has an unhealthy relationship with her, read this book, check the reviews on amazon to decide if this book would be helpful for you. I found the book Relationship Rescue very helpful as a guide to rebuilding my relationship with my husband, Dr Phil's says it's the husband who needs to manage his parents not the wife and vice versa. Taking a good honest look at yourself won't hurt either, build your strength from the inside out with guidance of Dr. Phil by reading and doing the exercises in his book Self Matters, this book has helped me gain many insights in where I was stuck myself and how I coud move forward.





By the way, at first being appalled by the title, after reading 'When he's married to mom' my husband thinks this is a great book. He said that there were some really interesting insights in this book. And I think it may have helped him finally setting boundaries with his mother.

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Subsequently I searched the internet for the term 'mother-enmeshed men' (used in the book) and found some really interesting texts that set off some bells ringing.

The following text is written by Oliver J.R. Cooper:
Mother-enmeshed men, what causes it

Mother Enmeshed Men: What Causes It?


When it comes to understanding what enmeshment is, it helps to look at what boundaries are. Boundaries are what create a sense of individuality between people. And although we are all physically separate, it does not mean that we are emotionally separate from another person. This becomes what is known as enmeshment, here one will look physically separate, but emotionally they will feel attached to the other person. One will feel that they have no boundaries between them and as a result that their not an individual.
So when it comes to mother enmeshed men, it is describing a man who is emotionally entangled to their mother. While it is true that they may live in a different house or a different part of the country; the emotional cord has not been cut.

A Choice
In a functional relationship with boundaries the emotional connection will be choice and what one has chosen. When it comes to an enmeshed relationship, it doesn’t feel that one has a choice and that they are enslaved to the other person. And for the mother enmeshed man it is a feeling of having no sense of self; other than an identity that is based on being attached to their mother.

Two Emotions
What this experience often creates is two powerful emotions, these are anger and guilt. On one side there is the anger at feeling as though one has to do what their mother says and can’t say no. And on the other side there is the guilt that is felt if one were to say no or was to think about saying no to the mother. This can create a feeling of being emotionally trapped; because based on these two options, it won’t lead to a sense of peace or empowerment. One can easily end up in a cycle of going through these two extremes time and time again. The anger can be amped up and turn to rage and may alternate between the two. And the guilt can also become shame and betrayal.

A Sense Of Self
By not being able to say no and to stand up for oneself, the man is caught between these two primary emotions. And this is largely due to the mother enmeshed man not knowing that he is a separate individual.
His mothers wants, needs and desires, are not seen as separate from him. Where he begins and ends and where his mother begins and ends: is unclear to him. This then leads to him feeling responsible to his mother.

Responsible
How his mothers feels is then his responsibility and something he needs to take care off. Her wellbeing is something that he has to look after. And what this also means is that his wellbeing and his own needs, wants and desires are often denied and ignored. So being responsible for himself is then overlooked and his boundaries will end up being constantly crossed. And as a result of extending himself for his mother, a natural consequence is being exhausted.

Love
On the surface this sounds completely dysfunctional and doesn’t make any logical sense. And one of the biggest reasons that this behaviour is occurring is due the mothers enmeshed mans association of what love is. To his unconscious mind, this is what love means to him.

Familiar
At a conscious level it is only creating: pain, struggle, conflict and suffering. But to the ego mind this is being associated as familiar and therefore what is safe. The reason it is familiar is due to it being how their mother treated them as a child. As a result of those early experiences being played out thousands of times, it is no wonder that its affect is so strong on a fully grown man.

Childhood
In a functional upbringing a child would be recognised as a separate individual; with their own needs, wants and preferences for example. For this to happen, the caregiver would have to have good boundaries themselves and to see that it is not down to the child to take care of their needs. However, if the caregiver is unaware of the child being separate, as a result of having no boundaries themselves, it will be more of less impossible to treat the child as a separate being. And by the caregiver being needy and emotionally undeveloped the child will be used for this purpose. The way that the caregiver acts, is more than likely how they were brought up. And as a result of not being aware; are playing out the same pattern.

Role Reversal
So what this leads to is the roles being reversed. Instead of the mother taking care of the child's development, the child ends up taking care of the mothers unmet needs. The process of separating then doesn’t happen and instead of boundaries being formed, enmeshment is what remains. Part of the reason for this process is often down to having a father that is either physically or emotionally absent.

Undeserved Loyalty
What this early conditioning creates is an undeserved loyalty to the mother. As the ego mind associates the whole experience as being what love is, it creates a kind of compulsive need to please the mother.
In reality the mother used the child for her own benefit and only harmed the child's development. And because the separation didn’t occur all those years ago, ones ego can associate separating as being equal to death. This means that overwhelming fear can be triggered were one to separate: with feelings of emptiness, abandonment and rejection surfacing.

Consequences
There are many consequences that can be created from this early dynamic. Having problems with boundaries has already been mentioned. Experiencing a sense of self control will also be very difficult. Another likely issue here is with intimate relationships. Through still being emotionally connected to ones mother it can be a real challenge to let in another woman. This is because ones mother is still number one and were one to go with another women there may be feelings of betrayal and guilt that arise. Here one may go for women who they are not completely attracted to, so that they won’t have to emotionally leave their mother. And these feelings are not rational; they are based on the ego minds dysfunctional associations. There can be a tendency to attract women that are similar and this means that one will re-enact the same role. And therefore end up creating the same internal experiences. It can just as easily create a fear of intimacy; with ones ego mind associating intimacy to mean being smothered and overwhelmed. As this was how it was with their mother. The unprocessed wounds can also be projected onto others. Due to only being loved through what they did and not for who they were, it is inevitable that one’s self worth is going to be affected. And based on what one does for others and not for who one is. One may also feel completely cut off from their inner world. And generally unaware of what their thoughts, feelings, emotions and sensations are. Along with this could be a disconnection to ones: needs, wants and desires. This could then result in a feeling of having no personal power.

Awareness
This article has covered the basic dynamics of enmeshment and some of the consequences. To the degree that one has been affected by this, will define what actions need to be taken. The first thing is to be aware that such a challenge exists. To deny the existence of something will not change it and can lead to it getting worse. In recent years awareness has increased around this area and this has lead to more progress being made. This is not only limited to men and can affect women in similar ways.
Reading a book and going over what they suggest may be enough for some men and for others it may require some serious therapy. What matters is that something is done to put an end to this dysfunctional attachment.


Another great article can be found here:

Mogul mothers, suppressed sons ©2010 H. Hiatt/wildninja.wordpress.com

28 comments:

  1. I found your blog when I was surfing the web for Mother Enmeshed Me. I, too, have read When He's Married to Mom. THe book I thought was very well done and informative. My fiancé (his mother) recently decided to end our relationship. His mom was threatened by me and made the decision for him. She placed a wedge between us and convinced him that he would be miserable marrying me. Who was left paying off the non-refundable wedding expenses? You guessed it! ME! His parents are wealthy (dad's a lawyer) and they declined to help pay for lost expenses. So I'm left paying with my teacher's salary.

    Word to the wise: If you are dating someone who can't say no to mom ...... RUN!!!!!!!!

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  2. My god! I thought I was the only one this had happened to. My ex fiance broke up with me through a txt msg saying "my mom is right you would be hard to live with." My ex was a 32 year old doctor with a joint bank account his mother. Father works 16 hours a day also a doctor. Mother has complete control of the fathers and sons finaces.

    His mom picked our wedding date, was going to pick the invitation cards, what we would wear, where we would live after, if and when we would go on honeymoon, I thought if I capitulated to her demands it would keep the peace between me and my ex and that he would one day see how cruel his mother was to me. Lets just say it worked out quite the opposite way.

    The person I thought was the kindest person ever left me when mom finally convinced him that I was the bad one. Left with all the wedding costs that his very wealthy family did not pay a penny off.

    Families like these cause devastation wherever they go and whoever they touch and as much as I have hurt, im soo blessed to have these animals are out of my life.

    People like our exes will forever have dysfunctional unhappy lives and its a choice they have made.

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    1. I had left the comment above you a year ago. I cringe at your story, seeing all of the similarities.
      A year later, I'm looking back and thanking God for sparing me and my family the heartache of what would have been a horrible marraige. I hope your are doing well and feeling the same:)

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    2. I feel much the same. I had uprooted myself and my daughter to be with someone not realizing the extent of his mother's control and manipulation. She even tried to manipulate me against her own son to change him in ways that suited her. She quickly realized I was too strong for this and everything went downhill. She has control of all his money. His car and phone and insurance are all in her name and simply because I asked him to take control of his own assets I have become the gold digger who is only after his money. Falling pregnant has only confirmed to them that I am after his money still after I have chosen to walk away after all the grief and damage they have caused between us but more so for what they have done to him. These people will never change and the best thing is for me to move as far away and do it all on my own like I have before and allow him and only him near our child. No matter what I do his mother will always go against my actions cos she has to control everything and anything about me is wrong pure and simple. It's heartbreaking to say the least. I had been through he'll and back to be with him and I can only walk away with a shattered heart, shattered dreams and a belly full of love and hope that I have something much more important to care for now. It's so sad. She went from saying the child woukd never be accepted as a grandchild to now if she says you can't see the child we can bring it here... Shes a piece of work :(

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  3. Be glad you didn't get married! I didn't realize the extent of the dysfunction in my husband's family until after I married him. He grew up with an abusive dad and became enmeshed with his mother. To complicate things he got really sick while still single and his mom took care of him which earned his unwavering loyalty. Admittedly, his parents do not know what "boundaries" are and have no desire to learn. They definitely consider me their enemy and a lot of the time it feels like my husband does too! In addition to incredibly UNHEALTHY, it's heartbreaking for me and I'm really not sure what will happen.

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  4. I am relieved that I am not alone, and saddened that others have been hurt by these unhealthy mother - son relationships. In June, I will have been married for 21 years. My mother-in-law has always disliked me...would take my husband out to lunch and tell him what he feels for me is not love etc. Our holidays have always revolved around her, using her recipes, her cooking (in order to get the compliments) and me cleaning up everything. She would make nasty, negative comments with a smile on her face and my husband would not get that what she had said was a put down to me. In the beginning I would try to point these things out, but somehow it always became my fault. It finally became easier to just go along with all of it. Then, she "loved" me. My husband and I paid for many things and services for her, she pretty much ran my house when she came to visit....until my husband and I decided not to move where she wants to move when my husband retires. Now, I am the she - devil and she has convinced her whole family of this and they will not speak to me. My husband is just baffled by it all and thinks that I must have done something wrong. My husband and I are in counseling now and the counselor brought this situation up - she has been gently introducing the idea to my husband. I hope somehow we will work things out. I have lost myself through all of this, given away so many years....it is heartbreaking. I am trying to be empathetic towards my mother-in-law, as from what I have read these women do this because they themselves are not emotionally mature and very needy. I am going to have to read the book and learn and understand more....take care everyone and may we all find some peace

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    1. I am 10 years in and don't know if I can do it any longer. My MIL does the same thing. She used my husband as her confident as a teen and then when her husband passed, he was her surrogate spouse. She insults me with her sweet voice and smile and he doesn't see it, or maybe he does and chosing to play dumb. When I bring it to his attn, he says that I must have misunderstood. It's constant. Everything that goes on in our marriage, she knows about. He feels guilty going on vacation, because she wants to go. Then I am the horrible one because I wont invite her. I wait on everyone hand and foot for Holidays. I dont know if counseling will take care of the issue and frankly, I dont know if I want to throw any more time in to this nightmare.
      My MIL would say something in her high pitched and needy voice and my husband would say your so cute and she would turn her backside to him, and he would slap it. I was MORTIFIED the first time I saw this. When it happened again, I asked him to stop and never do it again that it was inappropriate and creepy. That's when he slammed me and said they have a close relationship and I was horrible for turning it in to something dirty. * Can't win*

      Frustrated and Hurt

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  5. Hello,

    thanks for sharing this article.

    Oliver

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  6. Of course Oliver, thanks for giving me permission to re-publish it here :-).

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  7. Hi Anonymous, What I have learnt along the way is that you will never understand these people. Change came when I realized that I had to put myself first on my priority list. Make my own well-being the most important thing in the world. I realized that I'm not responsible for how my husband feels and it is not up to me to solve his problems. They want to make it yours but it isn't. These problems originate in his family. I told him it was over and done with, the final line was crossed, the MIL could only ever enter my house again when she would show respectful behaviour toward me. The in-laws are now out of my life and that of my children. My husband visits them once in a while. He has told his mother that she has had every chance and screwed it up. Wishing you all the best!

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  8. We now finally live as a couple with no interference from another party in our lives. I am enjoying it every day. There now is peace and calm and we can laugh and talk without a threat in the background. I almost lost all hope of ever achieving this. I think that making yourself the top priority is key. You are not a slave and that is not a way to live a life. You have a right to live a life as an adult and you are not responsible for your mother in law in any way. She needs to take care of her own problems and in the meantime (and not ever) you really don't have any obligation to her to endure her every whim. You can wish them the best and send them love but keep them out of your life. Choose your own freedom, whatever that may be. You owe that to yourself!

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  9. I have a boyfriend of going on five years and have yet to meet mommy! There is always a reason why...timing is continent for him to always be there when I can't be. She treats my boyfriend like a child still. Sometimes I wonder if its me being jealous of her or just not good enough. It has caused a hatred for this woman I have never met. He says he is afraid that his mom will "leave" him ifbshe doesn't except me. He thinks it will be a its her or me situation. I told him she is his mother and no mother will stop loving you because of your relationship. This woman I believe has a sick unhealthy hold on him. She has text him before a job interview telling him to shave and even went as far as buying him an outfit to wear. I love him dearly and don't want to end my relationship with him. But I feel like when it comes to her I can't ever win. Is it me? Am i over analyzing everything?

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  10. He knows his mother will not accept you or anyone for that matter. It is not you. It could be everyone. So in that way it is not personal. The question is what do you want? The key is, you have to take good care of yourself and put your well-being first, always.

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  11. I have a similar experience, except that it's my wife who is very enmeshed with her family and mother in particular. People like this refuse to see what's going on especially since a lot of them have been experiencing the enmeshment and codependency from childhood. They have no boundaries in their family and don't respect other peoples boundaries. They will almost never realize how the enmeshment has destroyed their life, and will almost surely never change, so as some others have said, run and get out while you can, especially if you are dealing with a big family of people that are enmeshed.

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  12. After buying the book and beginning to read it, I see so many of the same things in my boyfriend. I'm glad to know I'm not alone yet I'm disderbed. Like I said in my prior post I have still not met his mom. We have been flirting with the idea of buying a house and he seems excited yet won't begin the process. I'm confused and feeling like here I am almost 6 years into a relationship and all I keep thinking is not only have I not met mommy but I feel like he can't make any sort of commitment because of her. Can't buy a house because she will be upset, can't get married because she will be upset. I don't get it. Doesn't he want to live his own life. How long am I supposed to wait? I'm afraid if I push it he will leave. And he has a place to go because mom bought a house with an apartment over the garage! Ugggg. Do I walk away and let her win. Have I just wasted almost six years of my life?

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  13. You are not supposed to be waiting. I would strongly advise you to focus on yourself and do whatever it takes to feel good about yourself. Make yourself the first priority in your life. Take small steps at first and stretch it along the way. This may sound strange but I'm sure it will lead you to a better place to make decisions.

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  14. I was married for 31 years. My mil nevered liked me from day one. My fil died and instantly my husband became her whole world. He spent more time with her than me or our children. While we were married she still did his wash, cooked for him, they traveled together. She bought him a boat, a sports car and he hid money from me and they opened a joint account together. I was always the 2nd woman in his life. I thought some day he would change but it just got worse. He left me to live with her and filed for divorce. He doesn't speak to me or any of are friends, sees our kids once in a while. I know he's embrassed about his decision but still feels like he made the right decision. It's extremely painful but I know he has been maniplated by her all his life. My question is she's 88 yrs old. She'll die some day. What will happen to him without her running his life?

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  15. Wow I can't believe that this enmeshment is so common. I personally have recognised that my family of origin has been enmeshed and is still is- to the devastating consequences of myself and my NOW life. It's not easy even with time and healing as I am finding out. I made the decision to not have anything to do with them after my mother walked out of the room upon myself announcing my marriage to my now wife.

    Toxic is a perfect word for my relationship with my mother and although I know deep down that this relationship is not good there seems to be a strange subconscious connection that I wish I could break. She has always put conditions on our relationship and since marrying my wife she has made this clear that she does not approve. The frustration is that all my siblings have stuck by her and I don't speak to them either.

    Changing mindset is achievable but challenging. The fear sometimes is unbearable and it seems unfair that selfish people seem to winning.

    I would love to hear any success stories to give hope the possibility of change.

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  16. I had never heard the term "enmeshed family" or "enmeshment" until I finally convinced my boyfriend of two years to go to couples therapy. I knew something wasn't healthy about his family, but didn't know what. They all contend that they are "just a very close-knit family". I told my boyfriend that there is close, then there's creepy close. Within just a few minutes of our first session, the therapist told my boyfriend that he is part of an enmeshed family.

    It didn't go over very well with him of course. I saw a text message to his cousin saying he didn't like the assessment and didn't like the fact that I wasn't found at fault for our relationship problems. In fact, his entire family, which by the way is HUGE, believes that everything is my fault. My boyfriend has come around and agrees with the therapist, and has done what was suggested by creating distance, which was made a little easier by his mother moving about 30 miles away, but that hasn't stopped her or the rest of the family.

    His mother will repeatedly send him text messages and private messages on Facebook saying, "Call me!" The most recent text was a tirade about how he hasn't called her and that "It's not a sin to call your mother like some people think" and "It's all about HER (me) and what SHE wants". And then of course for good guilt measure, she throws in this about his deceased father: "After all the things I've done for you, and you disrespect me by not calling. Your father wouldn't approve of how you are treating me!" And just yesterday, I discovered that she added him to her change-of-address list so that his mail is going to her house, not our apartment. He's about to turn 41, and she still thinks of him as a child. The entire family has the mentality that if you're not on board with their way of thinking, you're wrong.

    I'm about at my wit's end though. I have so many trust issues with him because of the enmeshment and his porn addiction, that I'm seriously considering leaving. Let his mother find him the "perfect" match.

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  17. I'm a boyfriend of a mother who I believe has an enmeshed relationship with her son, this is what is going on, I lived with her for a year now and we only sleep in the same bed when her son is away with his father usually once a month, he's going on 14 years now, she sleeps every night this is very frustrating me to say the least, they sit hip to hip on the couch and occasionally stroking her hair, she needs a massage she ask him to do it, she goes to the restroom he sits outside the door, she doesn't say much to me during the day unless I do most of the talking, she hangs out in his room most of the time instead of with me in the living room, is already telling him what kind of women he's going to be with, this is just to name a few things , nay words of advise cause I'm getting ready to walk out of this...Thanks

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  18. This sounds pretty enmeshed to me (not her son's fault) ... Have you ever expressed to your partner how you feel about this?

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  19. My boyfriend and I have been together for a year and a few months now. We had so many issue with his mother as they had an enmeshed relationship. I think the key factor is for he see that the relationship is problematic and if yes is he willing to change it. He lived with her and after her controlling ways and trying to get us to break up. He moved out. He now lives with me and my mom. He created so many boundaries between his mother and his family and basically told her be would no longer talk to her until she made things right with me. She emailed me and apologized and we now have been able to move forward and are building a positive relationship. It's hard for mothers to let go when they have unmet needs but you cannot be the person to try to drive a wedge between them. I realized If he wanted this relationship bad enough he would do anything possible to keep it and he did. Him moving out, setting boundaries and explaining to her that I came first completely changed things.

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  21. My 56 year-old boyfriend of two years is enmeshed with his much-older sister. They're now sharing all financial accounts, bought a vacation home together (which I found out after the fact), and he signs his messages to me the same way he signs to his sister XOXO. Her behavior towards me is indirectly but blatantly hostile and rejecting, and yet he'll defend her to the death. Just ordered the book on MEM, and hope that will offer some suggestions for dealing with the situation...and saving my own sanity.

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    1. OMG. Have been looking for enmeshment between brothers and sisters. My husband defends his sister to the death also even though she is a narcissist, a very clever one of course. Thanks for your comments. Needed to hear that.

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  22. i'm currently in a 2 yr relationship and my boyfriend is very enmeshed with his mother. she controls every aspect of his life, and makes it very known that she isn't fond of me (which is because I refuse to let this grown woman dictate my relationship). I've been doing a lot of online reading on MEM because I am tired of seeing my boyfriend, the man I love, be manipulated into doing whatver she wants, even when he is unhappy. I'm hoping that he is open to reading up on this stuff as well because I don't think I can sit by and be the third wheel for much longer. If he can't detach, I might have to.

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  23. I have a boyfriend who I have been dating for a bit, and I found him to be very considerate and thoughtful towards his mom. I thought this was sweet in the beginning, but he would watch a movie with me and would watch the same movie the following week with his mom because she would like it. When we would go shopping, he would get me to hold up sweaters to take pictures because his mom would like it. Then on days he had off he would take his mom places that he went with me, and would not have time to meet up with me. I was always placed second to his mom. I started noticing this pattern, and then I realized that I needed to make a decision when his mother had a minor cold and he cancelled our date just on the day of to tend to her needs. He mentioned that she had been depressed lately (only a few weeks within starting to date him) and that he needed to spend time with her. He would take her on trips and there were just too many apologies (almost all of which were due to the need for him to spend time with his mom) I am starting to get fed up. His mother is a single mother and he is her only son. I realized that they needed to support eachother and I have been understanding on my end. But I'm realizing that this may end up costing my happiness, as much as I like him. He is more and more emotionally distant and I'm wondering if this is a sign of a mother enmeshed son scenario?

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